Det Mosaiske Trossamfund, the main Jewish congregation in Norway, has issued a press release refuting the "judenrein" stories about the Kristallnacht commemoration. Here's an English translation:

Unfair criticism against SOS Racism

Det Mosaiske Trossamfund in Oslo (DMT) notes that there is a debate in the media, after a group of people were stopped by the police during SOS Racism's demonstration in memory of the Kristallnacht on November 9. Accusations have been made against SOS Racism which we would like to comment on:

It is not correct that DMT as a congregation, or Jews as individuals, were unwanted at the demonstration. We deeply regret that such accusations have been made. It is unknown to us that Jewish symbols, such as the star of David, were unwanted at the event. What we were made aware of, and which we see as a correct decision, is that one wanted to ban national flags at the demonstration. From what we know, this was done to prevent the event from turning into a demonstration connected with the Middle East conflict or the war in Iraq.

DMT was invited to participate in the event, which we declined. This has to do with our skepticism against the way this event has taken place in Oslo the last years, where the demonstration in our view has turned into a political event, going far beyond the original intention. For us as survivors and descendants of survivors of the horrible crimes of the Nazis, it is sad that forces which in many ways use the same arguments against Jews which fascists and Nazis in their time used, are invited to take part in such an event. Or to say it even clearer: The Kristallnacht was the opening shot for the Nazi persecution of Jews in Europe, and the events that day were largely directed against Jewish businesses and institutions. Today we see that groups on the far left wing of the political landscape, together with some Muslim communities, (which we hope do not represent Muslims in general), use these very same methods. Jewish schools, retirement homes, cemeteries, and community houses are being attacked all over Europe along with Israely embassies and consulates. We see this beginning to happen also here. And it is mainly the same groups which are behind these acts here, as in the rest of the world. For us as Jews it becomes impossible to take part in such an event against racism, when other participants in the same demonstration carry banners which in Arabic contain clearly racist messages. But we are aware that SOS Racism has become aware of this, and that they in connection with this year's event did their utmost to avoid precisely these things. We wish to congratulate the organization for this, and that is why we also regret the criticism which is now directed against the organizers.

Even though we have been critical to parts of the event, we as a Jewish congregation do not in any way wish to stand in the way of these annual events, or to harm them in any way. Nor have we encouraged our members to stay away from the demonstrations.

As Norwegian Jews, we believe in dialogue as a means to greater understanding. We therefore completely reject any form of activism which furthers confrontation and builds up under increased opposition and hatred between ethnic groups. We therefore believe it was very unwise of some of our members to behave in a way which clearly would provoke other participants of the event in Oslo on November 9. This was not made any easier for us when we were made aware that people connected to right-wing extremist movements were part of this. That is why this led to the consequence that two of our members have been excluded from our congregation.

Claims are often made about increased anti-semitism in our society. To a certain degree, this is correct, but in the debate which has now begun, it is important to us to underline that the Jewish community in Norway does not experience this as an imminent danger. We see the trends, we warn against them, and we note to our satisfaction that both the government and the public deal with the problem. It is therefore completely wrong to claim that Jews see themselves as unwanted in Norway, or that anti-semitism has reached levels which create problems. It is just not true, and we should let such accusations rest until there is cause to make them. And so let us with G-d's help hope that this never occurs.

From the statement:

''Or to say it even clearer: The Kristallnacht was the opening shot for the Nazi persecution of Jews in Europe, and the events that day were largely directed against Jewish businesses and institutions. Today we see that groups on the far left wing of the political landscape, together with some Muslim communities, (which we hope do not represent Muslims in general), use these very same methods''

The jews cant miss a chance to INCITE hate against Muslims yet they wonder why there are anti-jewishness feelings among muslims !!

I noticed in countries where jewish influence is strong ( The UK, Germany and the USA ) for example the media in general tends to be very hostile against arabs and muslims, while in countries where there is NO jews or small jewish communities, the media tends to be VERY fair and balanced ( Finland, Sweden and Greece ) for example.

Whenever the phrase 'fair and balanced' is used it seems to mean something along the lines of 'Ranting opinionated partisan nonesensical news'.

>> Whenever the phrase 'fair and balanced' is used it seems to mean something along the lines of 'Ranting opinionated partisan nonesensical news'.

Have you ever watched Fox News? I've been listening lately from the perspective of some folks in this forum, and I can't detect any bias in the actual news coverage. There are opinion based formats (Hannity & Colmes). It's like the lack of spin (opinion) in the news, is perceived as biased spin.

Of course, it's highly unlikely that two sides of an argument are equally true. So sticking to the facts and telling the truth is helping one side or the other.

So, whenever I hear someone say something like you just did, I think "Ranting opinionated partisan nonsensical and untrue".

I have seen fox news and it sickens me,

A time when I watched it one of the hosts had written a book with excerpts from non American news sources that supposedly showed how much the world hated the US. His message was simply “they hate us so we should hate them back even more”

And their debates! If it wasn’t so tragic that people actually believes it, then it would be funny.

Odd. Somehow Gunnar turned out defending ex-C.

To put it as a wise man once did:

Sefat-emet tikon la'ad ve'ad-argia leshon shaqer. Mirma belev-khorshei-ra uleyouatsei shalom simkha.

The lip of truth shall be established for ever; but a lying tongue is but for a moment. Deceit is in the heart of them that devise evil; but to the counsellors of peace is joy.

Something for us all to ponder upon :)

Øyvind

Dean,

To put it bluntly: Since I am close to absolute certainty that this story...

"A time when I watched it one of the hosts had written a book with excerpts from non American news sources that supposedly showed how much the world hated the US. His message was simply “they hate us so we should hate them back even more” "

is either:

A) A bizarro interpretation of some moment in time seen through a dogmatically mind addled prism.

B) A second hand reflection of a projected image of what the horrible likes of Fox News is "supposed to be" from the myopic world of caricature that produced the dogma referred to in A.

or

C) Pure Crap...

... I conclude that your statement "I have seen fox news and it sickens me" is nothing other than the screed of a reality challenged leftist who uses posts like this for little more than the reinforcement of a closed ended and self indulgent worldview, which includes (ironically ), the fanatical belief in your own innate moral superiority.

Such things are, if I may quote the ever odious but rhetorically artful Messr Chirac... "unhelpful".

Cheers,

KM

Øyvind,

Oh not THAT old cliche again! The whole lip, tongue, heart, deceit, peace, joy thing went out with my grandmother!

KM

(Just doing my part to reinforce the most palpable stereotypes.)

Holland - Between 50.000 og 120.000 support the radical muslims:

http://www.welt.de/data/2004/11/18/362054.html?search=AIVD&searchHILI=1

(German)

Kevin:

Yeah, I know :)

Øyvind

Kevin McDonnell:

Please

I don’t believe my own “innate moral superiority” has much to do with Fox being fucked up.

I do not think that I see through “a dogmatically addled prism”

Nor do I agree on that my view is “a second hand reflection of a projected image” (…) “from the myopic world of caricature that produced the dogma”

Jezz... I was going to answer all of you’re insults but I have to stop here…

Mr. McDonnell I don’t know how much you watch Fox news but it can’t be that much, with you living in Norway. I don’t base my opinion on a book by Al-Franken or Michael Moore. I base it on my own observation, they slant the news to fits their picture of the world and I don’t just refer to the Bill O`Reilly show and ”Hannity & Colmes. The news itself spreads misinformation and misguides.

You probably have seen this stuff before but if not please take some time just to read the transcript of a interview Bill had with a son of a 9/11 victim.
http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/transcripts/oreillyglick.htm

And the survey that showed that fox viewers generally had more misconceptions about the Iraq war.
http://www.alternet.org/story/16892

Oh and of course you must see the trailer of the new “anti-fox” movie.
http://www.outfoxed.org/

Do English teachers in Norway give extra credit if you use the thesaurus?

“Just because the intellectuals and the pc people in Norway are stupid is no reason for you to join the opposite stupidity”
-Me

>> The news itself spreads misinformation and misguides.

This is a bald faced lie.

>> And the survey that showed that fox viewers generally had more misconceptions about the Iraq war.

Like what? You probably have misconceptions about the Iraq war. Which network should we blame for that?

Gimme a break Dean.

Yes I live in Norway... and guess what- Fox News is Here! The "study" you cited by the way is one of many studies that are subject to the kind of metrics that bear looking at three times... or more. It was in fact, not a "study" at all but a set of polls where everything from the weighting to the structure of the questions in fact, rather than casting aspersions on Fox viewers, made out its authors to be charlatons who knew the results they were looking for before they started and would get it regardless. Worthy of Berkeley.

There are on the other hand, a whole slew of very broad and easily transparent studies that indicate that the Fox claim of "Fair and Balanced", in spite of being vitriolically (and rather revealingly) caricatured as worthy of disdain, has quite a bit of merit.

Regardless, the citation you made was so rife with the kind of caricature which informs the Progressive mantra (and amounts pretty much to "anyone who doesn't think just like me is an ignorant closed minded bigot) that it was worthy of derision.

Yes Dean... I watch Fox, and CNN, and CBS and BBC... and even NRK. You are most assuredly NOT in a position to argue that it is Fox from that group...representing an unethical and/or skewed perspective. It is galactically laughable.

If you think so... it is to your detriment. But alas, its also your choice if you prefer an endless stream of contrived imagery custom shaped to imposed ideological solipsism.

KM

PS Oh... and I saw "Outfoxed" as well. Heh... Dean if you bought that without going into any depth around the position they profer... well, then I can pretty much tell where you are coming from... regrettably. I would add while there are some people outfoxed by that faux "expose"... yet much like F911, the ones outfoxed are not what the promotional material might suggest... though they actually ARE the targets intended by the producers.

Know what I mean?

Gunnar and Kevin

The survey that showed fox news viewers to hold more misconceptions about the Iraq war was conducted by PIPA (Program on International Policy Attitudes) it was simply asking what was you’re main source of news and then some questions about the war in Iraq. Among other things did it show that 80% of those people who relied mainly on fox for their source of news thought that there was solid evidence of a link between Iraq and Al-Qaida

Most likely I have misconceptions about the war myself, but unlike those unfortunate people who watch little but Fox I have several sources of news (just like you Kevin) My problem with FoxNews it is not that its a rightwing conservative network, but their refusal to admit so.

It misguides people who think they watch an impartial news show. And they mislead people when they refuse to air news and opinions they se as harmful towards their political direction.

Kevin

I did not say that NRK was supposed to be the ideal news source, I’m saying that fox news is certainly not.

The citations I did of you were in no way rife and caricature. I tried to call you too account for what you actually said, because you gave the reasoning behind my opinion three possible explanations, neither very flattering. And if you can’t imagine my opinions to emerge from any other of you’re three possibilities, then you are a very narrow minded person.

I admit that I myself, even with my innate moral superiority went so far to hint that you was pulling you’re arguments and insults from a thesaurus. I did not truly believe that you’re teachers gave you extra credit for using it. But nevertheless you should stop using it in debates. The clearer argument is the one that wins through. Not the one with most uncommon words.

To see the report on fox go to the link below and select “Iraq” and then “Misperceptions, The Media and The Iraq War” or go right to the link at the bottom and se the part where it concludes that its study finds “widespread misperceptions on Iraq highly related to support war”

http://www.pipa.org/online_reports.html

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Press.pdf

Among other things did it show that 80% of those people who relied mainly on fox for their source of news thought that there was solid evidence of a link between Iraq and Al-Qaida

I was hoping you'd fall for that trap. It is you that has the misconception. There is solid evidence that Iraq was indeed connected to 9/11.

Salmon Pak was a training facility that trained terrorists to take over airplanes, in exactly the same way as 9/11. Defectors told us this info, and it was later confirmed after the liberation. Salmon Pak alone is enough to implicate Saddam. Mohammed Atta met with an Iraqi agent in Prague. Iraq is also clearly implicated in the anthrax attacks right after 9/11.

What's the evidence to the contrary: all the MSM say it isn't so. That isn't evidence. It's politically motivated. This isn't some conspiracy theory by wackos. Salmon Pak is indisputable. The idea that Osama did all this is actually the more far fetched. Like Musharraf said, it's crazy to believe that a guy in a cave in afghanistan managed to pull off an operation this complex.

It's ludicrous on financial terms as well. Osama had a fortune of maybe 30 million USD. That would pay for 1500 terrorists for 1 year, assuming 20k/t/yr. But the reality is that there were 100,000 al qaeda terrorists at it's peak. That would take 2 billion per year. Where did that money come from? Terror states, and the most likely source is the oil-for-food program. OBL is just the figure head.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15919

http://husseinandterror.com/

The idea that Saddam was not involved in terror is just a huge mania. People believe it, because everyone repeats it over and over. This despite the complete overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Amazing that no one doubted it before Bush decided to attack Iraq. Iraq was in fact the nexus of world wide terror.

I'm fascinated by manias. A study showed that people will go with what the crowd says, even if it contradicts what they see with their own eyes. It placed a person in the middle of classroom of people, all of which were part of the test. The speaker to the class presented a series of slides, like "which line is longer, A or B". And even though the difference is really obvious, the person being tested would raise his/her hand for the obviously incorrect choice, when the rest of the people made that choice.

The phenomena of urban legends is also interesting. For example, most people believe that box cutters were used to take over the airplanes. In fact, there is no evidence of that. The only information we have is that a flight attendant was either shot or killed with a knife.

Dean,

"My problem with FoxNews it is not that its a rightwing conservative network, but their refusal to admit so."

I see... and this in your mind is more disingenuous than say, CBS and its MSM cohorts claiming that they are (AHEM) "objective"?

Actually, the irony is you are wrong even in your premise, since FOX News actually makes a major point of stressing that they INCLUDE the conservative perspective. The difference in fact between them, and basically ALL the other news sources I mentioned above... is that they often engage in (GASP!)... a discourse. Yes they actually debate issues in something more than a liberal circle jerk beytween left and lefter where the image is an open minded discussion but where the reality is an endless speech.

The greatest affront to much of the liberal establishment when it comes to Fox News, is that in an open discourse, and particularly when debates are clearly and openly permitted... the left not only loses, they get undermined across vast tracts of their philosophical premise, particularly their contemporary tenets.

Fox News also, by its mere existence, has a multiplier effect on the whole discourse in the US and to a much lesser extent beyond (though this is reduced by the almost hysterical casting of it as more or less the "Nazi Channel" which should NEVER be seen lest one turn into a Gestapo) wherein much light is shed on just how frighteningly myopic the MSM really is.

If you think of FOX News as more or less a fascist outlet, or even as a venue where the (I will say it again) patently absurd cartoon story you laid out before is the general theme... I'm afraid that I have to assume you have had many deep draughts of the "Kool Aid" and there is little that any reasonable debate is likely to do for you.

Additionally, allow me to second what Gunnar said. In essence the study you cited was a closed ended test of whether you watched the mainstream media. Ironically, if you didn't parrot the things relentlessly parroted in the media, you did poorly on this pop quiz/"Poll" and ergo, must be a Fox watcher. If for example, the answer to a question that asked if you believed it possible that Al Queda and Saddam were affiliated in some way was yes... this meant you had it all wrong.

Ummm... we Fox News watchers beg to differ, and shake our heads in disgust at the many "AHAAAA!" moments that the MSM has had, where everything that is not proven with a smopking gun (or a smoking crater) is automatically a case of the Neo Con conspiracy and/or Bush's lies. Its rather interesting who, in objective terms is actually "misinformed". See... on Fox, the fact that there have been no WMDs found is reported with the same factual talking points as in the MSM... its just that the inconveniently non-conformist information... actually gets looked at too.

You should rethink your entire premise Dean... it is painted into a tight little oxymoronically labeled as "liberal" or "Progressive".... corner.

All the Best,

KM

By the way Dean,

Just as a comment on form, its rather impressive to be complaining over my post under the fallacy of ad hominem (which I would generally dispute... I was "mostly" characterizing the basis of your arguments, not your personal style or you personally) as you attck my style as drawn from a "thesaurus" and so forth.

I believe someone once labeled this very common leftist strategem as "attacking on the defensive"... I don't remember who... but its a pretty good turn of phrase.

In any case, I can assure you, there is no thesaurus by my desk. For what its worth, my "arguments and insults" ... are all me baby.

Cheers,

KM

Gunnar wrote: Mohammed Atta met with an Iraqi agent in Prague.

Erm. Gunnar? Could you perhaps provide any evidence for that claim?

Well, of course you can't. You see Mohammed Atta was, according to your own guys over at the FBI and the CIA, in the United States of America at the time. I really do not think that he met with a Iraqi agent in Prague, Oklahoma.

Then there's, of course, the minor detail of Czech police refusing any such claims - eventhough they were the original source.

And then it's the 911 Commission. And they said that they "don't believe any such meeting ever took place". Source: CNN

And finally: Cheney also said recently that the United States has never been able to "knock down" an uncorroborated Czech report that September 11 plot leader Mohamed Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence agent in Prague, Czech Republic, before the attacks.

Ø.

Gunnar wrote: Mohammed Atta met with an Iraqi agent in Prague.

Erm. Gunnar? Could you perhaps provide any evidence for that claim?

Sure thing buddy.

http://edwardjayepstein.com/PragueConnection.htm

http://www.worldpress.org/Europe/1684.cfm

Another example of a lie repeated over and over again is the MSM claim that the Czechs withdrew their claims that an Iraqi Intelligence Officer met with Atta. In fact, the Czechs never did that, and are confirming it to this day:

http://edwardjayepstein.com/2002question/prague.htm

I'm amazed that the anti-bush blinders are so effective that people choose to believe politically motivated media a world away, rather than the defectors, officers, and documentation from Iraq:

Coughlin, who has reported from Baghdad and authored Saddam: The Secret Life, discusses a document discovered by Iraq's interim government detailing a summer 2001 meeting in the Iraqi capitol between September 11 ringleader Mohammed Atta and notorious Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal.

The handwritten communiqué, according to Coughlin, was penned by Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, former chief of the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS). He is the Jack of Diamonds among Hussein's top henchmen and remains at large. Habbush's July 1, 2001, memo is labeled "Intelligence Items" and is addressed: "To the President of the Ba'ath Revolution Party and President of the Republic, may God protect you."

It continues:

Mohammed Atta, an Egyptian national, came with Abu Ammer [the real name behind this Arabic alias remains a mystery] and we hosted him in Abu Nidal's house at al-Dora under our direct supervision."

We arranged a work program for him for three days with a team dedicated to working with him...He displayed extraordinary effort and showed a firm commitment to lead the team which will be responsible for attacking the targets that we have agreed to destroy.

-Deroy Murdock

If you just take off your anti-bush blinders, it all starts to make sense. When faced with several possibilites, the easiest one is most likely correct. The most obvious scenario is that Saddam, humiliated by GulfWar1, has been trying to get revenge against the US ever since:

1) Saddam misjudges and invades Kuwait
2) US kicks him out and humiliates Saddam
3) Saddam wants revenge, increases already close connections with terrorists
4) Saddam offers OBL asylum after being kicked out of Sudan
5) OBL turns him down, going to Afghanistan instead, but Al-Qaeda financial troubles disappear, and training dramatically increases
6) Iraqis are somewhat implicated in the WTC93 bombing
7) Identities of key WTC93 figures could only have been produced by Iraq
8) Iraqis are somewhat implicated in the OKC bombing
9) Iraqi seemed to know about the attack prior (troops on alert, prediction in Iraqi newspaper)
10) only foreign country not to express condolences
11) Iraqi training facility at Salmon Pak used to gain expertise in taking over airplanes

Thus, the most obvious answer is that Iraq was indeed connected to 9/11, and it's the one I choose to believe, since I don't like complicated mysterious conspiracy theories.

To believe otherwise, one would have to explain a lot, like why in the world would Iraq have sleeper agents in the US?

Aug, 2004 Sami Khoshaba Latchin, 57, was arrested and charged with making false statements to immigration officials when applying for U.S. citizenship in 1998. More importantly, prosecutors allege that Latchin is a “sleeper agent” from Iraq, sent by Saddam Hussein to “embed” himself in our society and provide support and intelligence to other terrorists in the US and their state sponsors. Latchin, a resident of Bay Colony Drive located about 5 miles north of Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport, worked for a security firm at the airport. He received his first security badge at O'Hare airport, where he was working for a company called Secret Service, Inc. in May 1995.

Read very carefully:

Cheney also said recently that the United States has never been able to "knock down" an uncorroborated Czech report that September 11 plot leader Mohamed Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence agent in Prague, Czech Republic, before the attacks

Which means, the report stands...

Gunnar

You might be right, I never really investigated the possibility that Iraq had connections with al-Qaida beyond observing that fox hinted at such.

But if that is true wouldn’t Fox jump at it? I have never seen them make a direct claim, only hinting at it and talking about Iraq and Al-Qaida like they were brothers.

My point stands thought, I chose the example of an Iraq AL connection because that was the one issue that had such a big difference from the other news sources. But there were other examples as well. Like that 33% of Foxlings believed that the US had found weapons of mass destruction,(October 2003)

Kevin

You can’t have seen the survey at all… it is not like you describe it.

If you had bothered to check on the source of which I base half of my argumentation on you would have found out that the PIPA survey was not drawing conclusions that stupid answers was from Fox viewers. All mainstream media was involved in this NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox News, CNN, NPR, PBS.

Let’s go through this nice and slow

This was how they did it, they asked: “Q17: If ONE of the networks below is your primary sources of news please select it. If you get news from two or more networks about equally, just go on to the next question.”

And there it was a list of all the networks I listed above.

This is not an organization that pulls numbers out of hats, it is a joint program of the Center on Policy Attitudes COPA and the center for International and Security Studies at Meryland CISSM, School of Public Affairs, University of Maryland.

“FOX News actually makes a major point of stressing that they INCLUDE the conservative perspective.”

ALL serious networks include the conservative perspective, I don’t think anyone would be able to get away with not doing that. You did not read my arguments Kevin.

Whatever you else you believe, you can’t dispute that Fox News viewers tend to have the wrong idea about world events.

For my sake, RTFA
http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Press.pdf

My point stands thought [sic],

Actually, it doesn't at all. The only real way to make your point (That Fox News is biased) is to show a significant number of quotes from the news portion of the show which are not accurate and misleading in favor of the republicans. The fact that these people are trying to prove this point with questionable polls of viewers actually indicates that there is no direct evidence.

Like that 33% of Foxlings believed that the US had found weapons of mass destruction

There were some WMD found.

ALL serious networks include the conservative perspective, I don’t think anyone would be able to get away with not doing that. You did not read my arguments Kevin.

Your ignorance of the liberal MSM is amazing. Several big networks have had a token conservative with all the rest liberal.

Whatever you else you believe, you can’t dispute that Fox News viewers tend to have the wrong idea about world events.

I certainly can dispute it, since it's completely false.

Gunnar:
The only real way to make your point (That Fox News is biased) is to show a significant number of quotes from the news portion of the show which are not accurate and misleading in favor of the republicans.

I wouldn’t believe that you would make it that easy for me…

(Fox using false quotes)
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2002062556_cameron14.html
http://biz.yahoo.com/fool/041005/1096982580_2.html

(A collection of Fox lies about the Iraq war)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/steinreich8.html

(Taking apart the Hannity vs Colmes show)
http://www.fair.org/extra/0311/hannity-colmes.html

(Comment on the PIPA survey)
http://www.dailytrojan.com/news/2004/08/18/Opinions/We.All.Lose.When.It.Comes.To.Bad.News-702569.shtml

(Part of the PIPA survey that neither of you have responded directly on)
http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Press.pdf

(Examples of Fox news bias)
http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/specificbias.htm

(Just general criticism of fox that’s not really relevant to this, but I agree with it so I’ll post it anyway)
http://www.angelfire.com/rant/sstewert/News/foxfails.html

yey! I won the debate!

But seriously, I feel that I have contributed as much as I can in this debate, I have made my position clear and I believe that there is sufficient with information to back it up.

Hey Dean,

ahhh, I said "news". OReilly & Hannity&Colmes are not part of the news programs. Next, you'll be pulling out commercials and saying that their exaggerated product claims indicate that Fox News is biased. I mean, talk about a Straw Man. Folks on an opinion show, arranged to have a left & right opinion, and you show that they are biased.

(the first link didn't come thru, but that isn't your fault, it happens to all of us)

I just can't detect any bias in the news shows. Bias is pretty obvious.

For example, NewsMax always adds gratuitous adjectives to their statements.

Instead of "Clinton travelled to Arkansas today"

its "Convicted liar Clinton, travelled to Arkansas today, which is still recovering from the corruption of the years of the Clinton governorship".

Or the MSM will say things like:

BILL O'REILLY: And I want to ask you flat out. Do you think President Clinton's an honest man?
RATHER: Yes, I think he's an honest man.
O'REILLY: Do you really?
RATHER: I think -- I do. I think he's an honest man.

Senator Smith, extreme conservative right winger, introduced a bill today, dispite opposition from the distinguished senator from Massachusets who said "this is not the time to take food out of the mouths of children"

"This is a perfect illustration of how hard it is for black men to keep good jobs in this country because of the policies of this administration. It's clear that Bush dumped Secretary Powell because he's black, and will replace him with Condi Rice, because she shares the president's extreme religious views."
(scrappleface.com)

You just don't hear any of this kind of opinionated stuff on the FoxNews news programs.

Dean, note that there is media bias, but it's the MSM. Also, note that CNN is on the same level as Al-Jazeera.

Being out of the events’ field for a week and having the media as the only source of information made me understand more why many people have a blurred vision about the situation in Iraq, I mean watching Al- Jazeera and the CNN for a relatively long time made Iraq- at certain moments-look like “hell on earth”. Fortunately I lived my whole life in Iraq and when it comes to events taking place over there I can distinguish between the truth and the lies to a certain degree but my concern is about people who have never been there because the media twist facts and exaggerate things in an unbelievable manner. As a matter of fact, from the news I got from the media I expected to find Baghdad in a terrible condition when I return; no gasoline, no electricity, fighting at every corner and dead bodies everywhere but of course I didn’t find it this way when I returned.

to quote Rob Corddry (the Daily Show): How does one report the facts in an unbiased way when the facts themselves are biased?

Gunnar:

I am not really planning to enter this discussion, eventhough it is and should be interesting for someone in my line of work.

However, I find media coverage on Iraq should be more scrutinized, and therefore I would like to see you giving sources for quotes like the one above.

Øyvind

Det Mosaiske Torssamfunn valgte å ta avstand fra det de oppfattet som en mot-demonstrasjon med tilløp til kontaktpersoner i høyre-ekstreme miljøer. Jeg har forstått at det er særlig en representant fra Forum mot Islamisering, som utgjorde problemet. Simonsen skal ha blitt forsikret om at problemet ikke var HAM.

Det har vært motsetninger mellom de Det Mosaiske Trossamfunn og de eksluderte medlemmene over lengre tid.

SOS-rasisme har benyttet pressemeldingen fra Det Mosaiske Trossamfunn for mere enn det er verdt, idet de formidler til Aftenposten at jøder og arabere gikk side om side i toget mot rasisme. Jøder flest møtte ikke opp, slik som det også går fram av pressemeldingen.

Ei som var tilstede, og som ikke sto sammen med mot-demonstrantene, bar ei Davidstjerne på seg. Hun opplevde for første gang i Norge at noen ropte Sionist-Svin til henne fra toget. Slikt kan selvfølgelig tilskrives enkeltpersoner, men hun følte likevel ikke akkurat for å gå i toget.

Det er meget å overdrive at jødene, eller venner av Israel, følte seg spesielt velkomne. SOS-rasisme kunne ha benyttet en annen dag.

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